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Take a profound and distant journey. Call it Deep Travel, Immersive Travel, Slow Travel, or Vagabonding. Francis Tapon guides you to the intersection of travel, technology, and transformation. The podcast will compel you to go beyond your comfort zone. Occasionally, you‘ll also delve into the misunderstood world of cryptocurrencies.
Episodes

Friday Aug 18, 2023
The Battle for Chad, Libya, & Bhutan’s High Points with Eric Gilbertson
Friday Aug 18, 2023
Friday Aug 18, 2023
Eric Gilbertson is attempting to climb every country's high point. He's two-thirds done.
Each high point has either a technical/physical challenge (e.g., K2 & Everest) and/or a bureaucratic challenge.
In this episode, Eric discusses three country high points that mainly have a bureaucracy that is stopping him, not the lack of oxygen.
I've climbed Chad's and Libya's high points, so I know what he's talking about.
Listen to discover why I could do it but why Eric has been blocked.
Let me know if you want to join us on a future hike up these two mountains.
He also talks about Bhutan's sacred summit.
His clone (Matthew Gilbertson) is joining him for most of the mountains. You can follow these twins on Instagram.
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In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Friday Aug 11, 2023
K2 & Everest Without Oxygen with Eric Gilbertson
Friday Aug 11, 2023
Friday Aug 11, 2023
Eric Gilbertson is attempting to climb every country's high point. He's two-thirds done.
His clone (Matthew Gilbertson) is joining him for most of the mountains. You can follow these twins on Instagram.
Eric uses the United Nations' definition of a country. There are 193 countries. He tosses in Antarctica to make 194.
Watch on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp5XY2UEn6s
Subscribe to my WanderLearn podcast & YouTube channel to get the latest episodes.
Eric's K2 summit documentation
Eric's Kangchenjunga Summit story
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
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Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon
Rewards start at just $2/month!
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Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Friday Aug 04, 2023
Can AI be wiser than humans?
Friday Aug 04, 2023
Friday Aug 04, 2023
Tim Dasey authored the 2023 book Wisdom Factories: AI, Games, and the Making of a Modern Worker.
Our discussion focuses on how AI will impact everything!
This episode's cover art is from Ray Kurzweil's Singularity book. It illustrates how computers are doing things that we thought only humans would ever do.
Timeline
00:00 Can AI Be Wise?
01:30 Does Consciousness Matter?
03:00 Can AI Be Wiser Than Humans?
06:00 AI Assistants
09:00 Net Good or Bad?
13:00 Will we need to memorize facts?
20:20 AI in Schools
We discuss the Khan Academy's Khamingo AI Tutor.
Watch the YouTube Video
Book cover:
My favorite section of the book was when he wrote about the Quest to Learn (Q2L) school, which serves grades 6-12. It is designed around games. It emphasizes 7 principles:
1. Everyone is a participant.
2. Challenge is constant.
3. Learning happens by doing.
4. Feedback is immediate and ongoing.
5. Failure is reframed as "iteration."
6. Everything is interconnected.
7. It kind of feels like play,
This may be the future of instruction.
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
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Rewards start at just $2/month!
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Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Friday Jul 28, 2023
Why Taking Ayahuasca in South American Jungles is Best
Friday Jul 28, 2023
Friday Jul 28, 2023
This is Part 4 of 4 episodes featuring Fabrizio Beverina, an Italian adventurer, scientist, and future ayahuasca shaman.
He shares how ayahuasca can transform your life & give you insights.
Moreover, he explains why you should go to a South American jungle to experience ayahuasca.
Watch the Video on YouTube!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFrg7Gu75cw
Connect with Fabrizio
Visit his Paojilhuasca Medicine Center or their Facebook page.
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
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My Patrons sponsored this show!
Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon
Rewards start at just $2/month!
Affiliate links
Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Friday Jul 21, 2023
Sneaking Into Tibet China 3 Times!
Friday Jul 21, 2023
Friday Jul 21, 2023
This is Part 3 of 4 episodes featuring Fabrizio Beverina, an Italian adventurer, scientist, and future ayahuasca shaman. He shares how he illegally sneaked into Tibet 3 times.
Watch the Video Interview!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnosQ72-YIc
Connect with Fabrizio
Visit his Paojilhuasca Medicine Center or their Facebook page.
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
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My Patrons sponsored this show!
Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon
Rewards start at just $2/month!
Affiliate links
Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Friday Jul 14, 2023
Is the Trans-Siberian Train Boring? What About African Tattoos?
Friday Jul 14, 2023
Friday Jul 14, 2023
Episode #2: Is the Trans-Siberian Train Boring?
This is Part 2 of 4 episodes featuring Fabrizio Beverina, an Italian adventurer, scientist, and future ayahuasca shaman.
He discusses the pros and cons of taking a train across Siberia.
Timeline
00:00 Trans-Siberian Train
03:00 Tattooing in Africa
05:05 Souvenirs
Learn more about Africa's tattoo history.
Watch the Video on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWUOxCb-3bA
Connect with Fabrizio
Visit his Paojilhuasca Medicine Center or their Facebook page.
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
On social media, my username is always FTapon. Connect with me on:
My Patrons sponsored this show!
Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon
Rewards start at just $2/month!
Affiliate links
Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Saturday Jul 08, 2023
One of the World’s Most Fascinating Travelers, Fabrizio Beverina
Saturday Jul 08, 2023
Saturday Jul 08, 2023
This is Part 1 of 4 episodes featuring Fabrizio Beverina, an Italian adventurer, scientist, and future ayahuasca shaman.
Fabrizio reminds me of Francois Xavier Paradis-Garneau, who I interviewed last year & will interview again. Both are world travelers who aren't pursuing the narcissistic goal of visiting all the world's countries (I'm guilty of this) but are drawn to areas that are extremely foreign to their upbringing. It's quality vs. quantity—profound travel experiences rather than checking off lists.
I met Fabrizio in Niger, where we stayed with the generous and hospitable Malah Abdou. The Sahara destroyed our trucks. We waited for an incompetent Portuguese mechanic to waste our time and money.
Enjoy this 4-part series & share it!
Watch Video on YouTube
Part 1: Ideal motorcycle for world travel
Fabrizio Beverina has traveled worldwide extensively on motorcycles. He shares his wise advice toward the podcast's end. Before that, you'll get a quick overview of his many (mis)adventures & why he's not a hippie even though he looks like one.
Timeline
00:00 Truck troubles
01:00 Fabrizio's CV
04:40 Why he dislikes hippies
06:30 Motorcycle advice
Connect
Connect with Fabrizio on Facebook.
Visit his Paojilhuasca Medicine Center or their Facebook page.
https://paojilhuasca.wordpress.com
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
On social media, my username is always FTapon. Connect with me on:
My Patrons sponsored this show!
Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon
Rewards start at just $2/month!
Affiliate links
Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Saturday Jul 01, 2023
Meditating When You Travel with the Isha Judd Meditation
Saturday Jul 01, 2023
Saturday Jul 01, 2023
Learn about the benefits of meditating while you travel. Kateri Anderson Heymans also describes the Isha Judd meditation system.
Kateri mentions the book Why Walk When You Can Fly?: Soar Beyond Your Fears and Love Yourself and Others Unconditionally.
Timeline
00:00 Getting into meditation
03:10 Isha Judd
06:20 Mechanics of meditation
09:30 Learn more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS7p9lH3QN0
To contact Kateri, email her at kateriheymans@gmail.com
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
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Rewards start at just $2/month!
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Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Friday Jun 23, 2023
Smart Contracts & NFTs in Crypto Inheritance
Friday Jun 23, 2023
Friday Jun 23, 2023
3rd & final episode with Pamela Morgan, author of Cryptoasset Inheritance Planning, explains how you can transfer your crypto with minimal risk after you die.
00:00 Inheritance smart contracts
04:25 NFT Inheritance
12:30 Beware of your assumptions
16:25 Case Study
Will your crypto be accessible after you die?
Watch this episode on YouTube!
OR
Watch a previous episode with her on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7nS1aBbCuk
In this episode, Pamela debunks inheritance myths!
Timeline
01:00 Inheritance myths
03:00 Trustless inheritance plan
04:30 Kill the Deadman's Switch
Check out Pamela Morgan's workshop!
Or visit her company, Empowered Law.
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
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My Patrons sponsored this show!
Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon
Rewards start at just $2/month!
Affiliate links
Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

Saturday Jun 17, 2023
Kill the Deadman’s Switch Idea! It Fails For Bitcoin & Crypto
Saturday Jun 17, 2023
Saturday Jun 17, 2023
Pamela Morgan, author of Cryptoasset Inheritance Planning, explains how you can transfer your crypto with minimal risk after you die.
Subscribe for the next few episodes featuring Pamela as we dive into death!
Will your crypto be accessible after you die?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7nS1aBbCuk
In this episode, Pamela debunks inheritance myths!
Morgan also destroys the idea of having a dead man's switch
Timeline
01:00 Inheritance myths
03:00 Trustless inheritance plan
04:30 Kill the Deadman's Switch
More info
To leave an anonymous voicemail that I could use on the podcast, go to SpeakPipe.com/FTapon
You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com.
If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!
On social media, my username is always FTapon. Connect with me on:
My Patrons sponsored this show!
Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon
Rewards start at just $2/month!
Affiliate links
Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free!
In the USA, I recommend trading crypto with Kraken.
Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees!
For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.